Raya's Moral ISN'T A Good Lesson to Learn (Raya and the Last Dragon) | READUS 101

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Raya’s Moral ISN’T A Good Lesson to Learn (Raya and the Last Dragon) || The story of Raya and the Last Dragon has with it a moral that can be applied to a universal lesson of unity and trust. However, when it comes to how they apply it to Raya and her traumatic relationship with princess of Namaari of the Fang tribe, the moral and lesson that the movie wants to teach is not as simple as it seems.

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  • La'Ron Readus

    La'Ron Readus

    4 months ago

    Tuk-Tuk is Best Boy. You can't change my mind. ❤️

    • Tamaramisue

      Tamaramisue

      Month ago

      Agreed

    • Guest Superguest

      Guest Superguest

      2 months ago

      Oh yes I can! ( just kidding)

    • Marvin H

      Marvin H

      3 months ago

      @jacob smith What if the turning to stone was not temporary, but was actual death. If Naamari was the last left alive, who would be there to forgive her? If she was the last, all she would have is guilt and desolation. Actually, I do believe in forgiveness. I believe it changes everything spiritually. I also acknowledge that often the harm done physically cannot be undone or corrected.

    • Aunn Niji

      Aunn Niji

      3 months ago

      @Bratzie Ramieverse! tuk-tuk is what we call the taxi's in thailand ♡

    • taco facefart

      taco facefart

      3 months ago

      Thats what the call mini-taxis in gautamala

  • Ursichan

    Ursichan

    2 hours ago

    So glad my mother let my kids watch this movie.... 😱😭

  • VioHRD

    VioHRD

    17 hours ago

    I just figured out how to spell Sisu and I am dying because sisu is a finnish term that means determination, grit, or hardiness, but it has no direct translation and I just really love that.

  • A. H.

    A. H.

    2 days ago

    You are very kind to a movie that doesn’t sound like it deserves it

  • Blazing time Blazer

    Blazing time Blazer

    2 days ago

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

  • Lilac Daven

    Lilac Daven

    3 days ago

    I'm so glad that I'm not the only one here who got so annoyed with this 'moral.' I've had a friend who was basically Raya, and her abuser absolutely deserved to never have my former friends trust again. Basically, this movie is saying that if some person comes in and pushes you over a cliff, if you manage to survive, you have to put your own safety, happiness and (somehow) trauma in a box, tape it up, and then walk over to the person who tried to kill you and "befriend them" when they're toxic. I just woke up so I may have worded that weirdly. Nonetheless, its so frustrating to watch my real experiences of being harmed after too much trust, and watching a friend get severely hurt from too much trust, only for this movie to blindsightedly say "your trauma is insignificant and unnecessary. Stay friends or be friends and trust the person that purposefully hurt you." Like what? Jesus fucking Christ.

  • Bluu Bandette

    Bluu Bandette

    3 days ago

    Now I know what's wrong with it and won't watch it again

  • mikhail kessery

    mikhail kessery

    3 days ago

    I thought I was the only one who saw it and thought, this really isn’t a good moral😂

    • Gerardo Mendez

      Gerardo Mendez

      3 days ago

      We need this moral taught more imo you know the dragon was right things are broken because of a lack of trust

  • mikhail kessery

    mikhail kessery

    3 days ago

    I thought I was the only one who saw it😂

  • Si M

    Si M

    4 days ago

    Why teach children that they should blindly trust everyone regardless of their history?
    1. Disney has a long history of corruption and is struggling to manage multiple boycotts
    2. Disney needs the approval of the CCP to gain access to its pool of consumers (consider the Mulan uyghur concentration camp controversy)
    3. Consider the protests against the ccp from its own citizens in China and also...
    Hong Kong 🇭🇰
    Taiwan 🇹🇼
    Mongolia 🇲🇳
    Turkestan 🏁
    Tibet 🏁

  • Cyber Criminal

    Cyber Criminal

    4 days ago

    The movie's message is by no means about blind trust. It's about reaching for the best in people, understanding and forgiving them. Raya didn't come to meet Namaari unarmed, she didn't just put her neck under her sword, she had to remember that little girl in Namaari and realize that she has no point in hurting anyone. But Raya refused to believe that, and, expecting the worst from her, she got it. I'm not blaming Raya for Sisu's death ofc, not as much as Namaari, but she still put her hand on it, because she didn't just not trust Namaari, she didn't trust even Sisu when she said "I got this". She didn't believe that Namaari can do anything but hurt her, and that Sisu can do anything but fail. The movie says that we only get kindness when we search for it.

  • Dekuisnumber1

    Dekuisnumber1

    4 days ago

    Also baby Raya has korra hair, just realized

  • The Cheese Factory

    The Cheese Factory

    6 days ago

    Forgiveness is acceptance of the past, and trust is acceptance of the present and future. To say that this is a "two way street", and that forgiveness and trust can only occur once the other has done the work too, is to say that healing cannot take place until the other has done the work too; this is not true forgiveness. Forgiveness (and thus healing) comes with the acceptance of what has happened, by letting go of the guilt that you place on the other. Because guilt is an illusion. The doer and the doing is an illusion. Everything that happens in your life, happens for a good reason. You cannot have forgiveness without acceptance (seeing it as for what it truly is). And you cannot have forgiveness without letting go of the guilt you place on the other. The amount of suffering you experience depends on you. You are either in acceptance or resistance to what is true. Trust is what comes as a result. If you still cannot trust, then yous still have not accepted (forgiven).

  • DrZulu Gaming

    DrZulu Gaming

    6 days ago

    If I were in Raya's shoes, I would probally say to Namaari "You'd probally sleep a lot better at night if you just admitted to yourself that you're a selfish, goddamn coward who takes whatever she wants and doesn't give a shit about who she hurts. That's you!"

    Why yes, I did quote Bojack Horseman; a much better cartoon that understand that not everyone deserves forgiveness or trust.

    • A Seraphim

      A Seraphim

      3 days ago

      That’s a bit too nice.

  • PaceFilmsProduction

    PaceFilmsProduction

    9 days ago

    This was a problem for me with this too. It didn't ruin the movie for me but it did lower the whole thing for me.

  • wretched17

    wretched17

    10 days ago

    wow if this isn't an accurate allegory of the corruption of the liberal party. over trust them when they are about to betray you and trust them even more when they pull some heinous shiz... and feel bad for daring to question it @_@

  • Mud Puddle

    Mud Puddle

    10 days ago

    And people ship those two…WHY?

  • Tim Schultheis

    Tim Schultheis

    10 days ago

    It’s gov propaganda. “Trust us”

  • Blobbert Mcblob

    Blobbert Mcblob

    10 days ago

    Well of course it isn't. The lesson of the movie is basically "blindly trust enemies and complete strangers and everything will work out" and let me tell you, as someone who fell for that "one thousands dollars a week for life" scams, do NOT trust complete strangers.

  • DemitriVladMaximov

    DemitriVladMaximov

    10 days ago

    I find this movie to be like a decapitation that required more that one blow: interesting in spectacle, but ultimately a failed execution. Disney at this point can't do subtlety, nor forethought in their works.

  • Ryley Murphy

    Ryley Murphy

    10 days ago

    The second they mentioned another kid around her age I knew there would be some back stabbing

  • azazel grigori

    azazel grigori

    11 days ago

    I remember growing up as a Christian. As a kid, I was being bullied by the popular girls. My parents, and the teachers told me to forgive them. I wanted to hold grudges. The school knew this, and made me out to be a potential threat. And because I was a boy, and they were girls, I was taken more seriously than anything they did. I just wanted to honor how I felt. As an adult, I have long walked away from the Christian doctrine. I also have a disposition towards women. A lot of the time, it seems like the world jumps at the chance to protect women, or at least the pretty/popular ones (highschool never ends), while treating guys like me as if we don't matter. I tend to be guarded around women. I don't think it's a good way to live, but I can't deny how I feel. I felt that Raya was a fun movie, but the message of trust and forgiveness was just really bad. And after 10 years of twist villains, this message feels insulting. However, I tolerate it because this is Disney. Disney is a soulless company who's only out to make money. And they do so by either playing to people's nostalgia, or off trends and politics. Disney may create good movies, but it is creatively bland and bankrupt when it comes to their messages. They are a corporation of industrial illusions and that's it. While I disagree with Raya's message, I can't be upset about it. When I play a Disney movie, I know exactly what I'm getting into. I just roll my eyes and let the movie continue on. But over all, forgiving abusers, and forgetting traumas, these are too big of a sacrifice to ask of anyone. If someone can find the strength within themselves to do them, fine. All power to them. But to require it from someone else is abuse of its own. So, as per every other Disney Princess, I have my criticisms. But Raya, the stand alone character, I see no fault. But Sisu's annoying.

  • Lesley176

    Lesley176

    12 days ago

    I’m so happy I’m not the only one that felt this way 😅

  • Phil Robichaud

    Phil Robichaud

    14 days ago

    I feel like at the very least Namaari should have been the first one to sacrifice herself at the end, realizing that she was indeed the reason all of this started in the first place.

  • Randolf Bluedragon

    Randolf Bluedragon

    14 days ago

    Dude fuck Namari "Its your fault too that Sisu died" like bitch you showed up to a peaceful encounter with a freaking crossbow. Raya showed forgiveness and a willingness to work with Namari, her worst enemy and was immediately proven right that she couldn't be trusted.

  • Goblin Babe

    Goblin Babe

    15 days ago

    The only thing I like about that movie was the 5 seconds of memorable good score that played when namari was boutta escape that cave but looked back at the statue of raya

  • minoliti

    minoliti

    17 days ago

    Thank you

  • Pew Pew

    Pew Pew

    17 days ago

    I found the movie amazing. I don't think kids wil even remember anything from the movie let alone knows lesson. The movies lesson is kinda confusing yea

  • Kristen Nicole

    Kristen Nicole

    19 days ago

    When I watched this movie I interpreted the Heart ppl as hoarding wealth and their desire to unify the world as imperialistic. I didn’t understand why her father wasn’t sharing the wealth of their land with the others. So I saw what Namari did as fighting against continued inequality rather than just a personal betrayal

  • Headless Body

    Headless Body

    24 days ago

    I tried to watch the movie but I thought it was boring. I guess I should try to watch it again because you made it sound interesting.

    • mxnkeyboi

      mxnkeyboi

      23 days ago

      it’s boring in the beginning but it’s so good!

  • Lycanzer

    Lycanzer

    24 days ago

    Who the fuck in Disney saw this and still gave it the green light? horrible idea.

  • Judai Winchester

    Judai Winchester

    26 days ago

    I have seen part of it (about half) and it is, as you have said portraying Raya who suffered trauma, making it like she's the victim. That's a very toxic mentality. As somebody who has also dealt with narcissistic and toxic abuse, this movie was almost triggering for me. It places the blame on the victims and the abusers get off scott free. That's not cool. Namari does not once apologize for betraying raya and everything is supposed to be hunky dory? Not cool. If I tried to explain this to anyone, they would not get it

  • Daelen.C Clark

    Daelen.C Clark

    26 days ago

    I just saw it, and I thought it was pretty good.
    But you make an excellent point.

  • Khoa Lam

    Khoa Lam

    26 days ago

    They tried to make Namaari into Zuko, but they forgot the most important step: actually having them redeem their past actions. Katara didn’t trust Zuko, rightfully, when he joined the group but there was setup to redeem Zuko in Katara’s eyes which led to the final battle. But in the case of Raya, there was no single redemption act nor even an apology, or atonement for Namaari’s actions, when the narrative obviously still paints her as a villain.
    And can we do away with the children excuse? If Avatar can present a complex and intricate story which captivated both children’s and adults’ attention alike, I don’t see why a Disney movie can’t do the same.

  • TattooCutie Gal

    TattooCutie Gal

    28 days ago

    This movie is so gay I wish Disney weren't cowards and let Raya/Namaari be together!

    • A Seraphim

      A Seraphim

      3 days ago

      No.

    • mxnkeyboi

      mxnkeyboi

      23 days ago

      noo

    • Enzo José

      Enzo José

      28 days ago

      You are shipping a toxic relationship. If you are going to ship a couple (straight ot gay), atleast make it health.

  • Kookie

    Kookie

    29 days ago

    So glad I wasn't the only one who thought this! I finished watching the movie yesterday and although I found it enjoyable, I felt that the moral of the story needed more work as in a real-life situation, trusting someone despite them backstabbing you repeatedly would just result in an extremely toxic friendship/relationship.

  • B. A.

    B. A.

    29 days ago

    this is a really good explanation of what bothered me about the movie, and the problems with these narratives/ideas in kids media. i also think there were some structural storytelling issues that detracted from the movie a lot, and i think addressing that AND this inconsistency and really huge problem with the central moral would go hand in hand and make it a much better movie.

  • grilledsushi

    grilledsushi

    Month ago

    Is this movie for asian lesbians?

  • PolaroidMemory

    PolaroidMemory

    Month ago

    Damn I thought I was going to be the only one who thought this way!!!!!! I really enjoyed most of the movie and my kids thought it was fun but at the end where she tries to blame Raya I had to walk out of the room.

  • watercat1302

    watercat1302

    Month ago

    It's a good thing my little girl is still too young to understand trust issue and just need to enjoy the cinematic of it, or I would have to personally talk to her about trust.
    This is the same with bullies. There's no way any victim should be "the better person" and just forgive the bullies just because they say "sorry" and NOTHING else.

  • Junior Chrisopher

    Junior Chrisopher

    Month ago

    This whole movie would have been cut half way in if Raya just used the dragon to convince everyone to give their gems because they worship them.

  • Bichen Up Ur -

    Bichen Up Ur -

    Month ago

    I genuinely don't like that movie because of it's stupid moral and corniness. The dragon is pretty ugly to, and is an insult to South East Asian dragons.

  • Brevincampbell12

    Brevincampbell12

    Month ago

    I think this gets to my issue coming out of the movie. As a optimistic and idealistic person something about the way they conveyed the message of trust didn't work and I think you hit on part of why it disappeared work for me

  • Thither Shook

    Thither Shook

    Month ago

    Throughout watching the movie I couldn’t bring myself to like namari even when she “redeems” herself to save the world. She still is the cause for Raya’s trust issues for doing her wrong repeatedly and was even terrible to her own people associating with her. The message in this movie could’ve been better if they allowed raya to forgive but not to forget whats she’s done

  • Leevi Heiskanen

    Leevi Heiskanen

    Month ago

    This movie is like saying that you should trust the bad guy even when he/she is pointing gun at your friend, and expecially after backstabbing

  • Charlie

    Charlie

    Month ago

    Maybe Disney hoped the beautiful 3D and soundtracks would make us forget the fucked up moral. Well that doesn't work.
    Raya is being told she should trust people more, even trust anyone blindly, which is already a bad enough advice to follow. But she's even being told to trust a scum who wronged her multiple times already (and accuses her of Sisu's death even though she wasn't the one holding the crossbow and compulsively betraying the people trying to save the world). Raya's character is the only one to make some sense (except at the end, but the end itself doesn't make sense either sooo...). She's distrustful for a reason and we feel that.
    And Sisu... well she is a dragon, supposedly an ancient creature, I was expecting her to be wiser than that, but even a 5 year-old would be less naive and stupid.
    Besides, she looks like an elongated Rainbow Dash.

  • MoonStarStories

    MoonStarStories

    Month ago

    I've literally just finished the movie!

  • Sidrah Tarpeh

    Sidrah Tarpeh

    Month ago

    I find it hard to believe that the message here was just blatant “trust”. I feel that the message was, “trust has to be two sided. Must of both ways”, or “sometimes you have to take the first step,” because that second phrase was repeated throughout the file by Chief Benja, Sisu, and even Raya herself in the 3rd act.

  • Sidrah Tarpeh

    Sidrah Tarpeh

    Month ago

    During the film, I was trying to convince my self that maybe Namaari wasn’t all bad, because when she did inevitably “break the world”, she was acting upon her mother’s orders no doubt. And in that time, she was a child, and children enjoy seeking approval and admiration from adults. So apart of me understands why she may have done what she did 6 years ago. With all of this in mind, this led me to believe that Namaari was in fact right about Raya being partially to blame.
    But now that i have rewatched the movie a couple of times, I have realized that that is just not the case. Sure, maybe Raya could’ve been more trusting of Sisu when she attempted and failed to get on Namaari’s good side, but in the end, Namaari was the one with the bad intent. Her plan was to capture or kill if not that. So Namaari is to blame regardless. But the fact that the movie blamed Raya for first being to trusting towards Namaari, to then not being trusting enough, gets me a little confused. I agree, I would’ve preferred a scene where Namaari actually apologize for the trauma she had caused Raya, because as a kid, seeing all of that chaos that you have heard about in stories play out in front of your very eyes is hard.
    Overall, I really enjoyed this movie, and I will be rewatching it, mainly for Tuk-Tuk.

    • Sidrah Tarpeh

      Sidrah Tarpeh

      28 days ago

      @TattooCutie Gal I completely agree. I don’t think Namaari ever wanted any of this. But she was under her mother’s influence. But then again, she is in control of her own actions, but I can see where she’s coming from, when seeking a parents approval.

    • TattooCutie Gal

      TattooCutie Gal

      28 days ago

      Did we watch the same movie? it's so obvious that Namaari's mom is the one controlling her

  • Tuefer Benz

    Tuefer Benz

    Month ago

    OK, this is interesting... earlier in development the Druun were humanoid armored monsters with glowing mist within. Raya's sword was magic and immune to Druun stone attack. Also Namaari controlled the Druun! She had one completely Druun arm and Druun symbol on her forehead and rode a monster. She was a traditional villain. See concept art, storyboard animatics etc.
    The problem is that during rewrites they decided to make Namaari sympathetic and ultimately redeemed but they didn't rewrite enough so it's without actually having her act in sympathetic or redemptive ways (except for her hollow doing the obvious thing after everyone on earth dead and the water gone). The only things that make her sympathetic and redeemed is that heroic characters treat her as such - Sisu trusts her and Raya forgives her. The characters and message are botched because of making radical changes but too little hasty script doctoring so it fails to bring themes, character, story into functional fruition. One of the best looking Disney movies has an utterly toxic, bully-enabling message: "Look what YOU made me do!"

  • dreamy VA

    dreamy VA

    Month ago

    Ah yes, a video judging/analyzing the shortcomings of the dumpster fire of a movie that my family wasted 30 bucks on

  • fleivinha

    fleivinha

    Month ago

    well this made me feel way less guilty about going through trauma

  • Logan Poitras

    Logan Poitras

    Month ago

    The message of trust and faith can be a very empowering one but blind faith is very dangerous. This movies seems to be confusing trust with blind faith.

  • AJ Thompson

    AJ Thompson

    Month ago

    Welcome to most modern kids shows and movies.
    That person hurt and traumatized you? Well, you need to forgive them because that's what a Good Person would do. You're a Good Person aren't you?
    And it's very reflective of society.
    Children are encouraged to forgive and rebuild bridges with physically, psychologically and sexually abusive parents.
    Rape victims are encouraged to forgive their rapists, even get back together with them.
    Victims of bigotry are constantly told to be the bigger person about racism, sexism, transphobia, classism, discrimination, etc.
    Bullied children are told to ignore those individuals that are literally assaulting them, to just take the verbal and physical beatings until the assaulter gets bored.
    I look at the shows today and just want to throw a heavy sign at the producers and writers that says "STOP VICTIM BLAMING!"

  • PaintCat Pokemon & co

    PaintCat Pokemon & co

    Month ago

    I think if they would have change the dialoghe during the fight after sisu death, things would have turn out better. Namari saying it was her fault raya didn't trust her for what she did and sisu was dead for her actions. Maybe it wouldn't have been perfect but it would have been better

  • Tamaramisue

    Tamaramisue

    Month ago

    I really enjoyed Raya and the last dragon, the animation was stunning. but I do think the message is a little flawed, in the way that they are telling you that you should trust someone that hurt you. I don’t think that is a good message, I do think that part of it is correct, in the fact that there needs to be trust in order for there to be unity, but trust has to be earned and I don’t think that Namari showed any reason why Raya should trust her.
    There is also another moral in the story that I have yet to see anyone point out, and that moral is empathy. I agree that in the scene where Namari and Raya meet up with the gem pieces, that they should Have had a talk of empathy, like the other characters did with Raya, there should have been a part where Raya showed Namari how what had happened when they were young had affected Raya’s ability to trust others including Namari. I think a scene like that would have opened Namari up and she would show that she hadn’t meant for what happened to happen. And show that she regrets what happened. I think that would have warranted for Raya to trust her at the end when she gives Namari the gem piece. But as a movie I really enjoyed it. I just think for the people watching it with children that they should clarify that trust is to be earned and that it does take effort. :)

  • Tuefer Benz

    Tuefer Benz

    Month ago

    It's a truly toxic message to kids that they should endlessly make themselves vulnerable to uncontrite abusers, and nothing contained within the film mitigates that message nor allows for an alternate interpretation. So despite its many virtues RATLD is a profoundly flawed film.
    Also, if you're interested in similar properties, by coincidence the Bayala movie has strikingly similar elements.

  • C. D. Dailey

    C. D. Dailey

    Month ago

    Wow. I recently watched Rays and the Last Dragon. I liked it. I thought it was really awesome. It thought is was so nice and deep. Then when it was over, I realized that Lily Orchard wouldn't approve of this. Whoops. Lily Orchard has criticized shows for having instant redemptions. The Raya movie has the same problem. I noticed the problem on my own. There is something about Zuko that many people don't seem to realize. He took his sweet time. He also suffered consequences. The instant redemptions skip all of this, and so it is poor. Zuko spends the first season of the Avatar show doing his villain thing. Then after that he changes. In the second season, he drifts off from the Fire Nation. He sufferes a lot of harship while alone. I think this is enough of a punishment for him even though it isn't official. Then in the third season, Zuko works to gain trust. Aang and his friends don't like Zuko at first. They are justified after all the bad stuff Zuko did to them in the past. Zuko makes an effort to redeam himself. He becomes friendly. He teaches Aang how to fire bend. Over the course of the season, Zuko becomes redeamed. The best redemptions are those that take time. Other examples include Sunset Shimmer from My Little Pony Equestria Girls and Peridot from Steven Universe.
    My favorite Disney movie is Frozen. I think it handles the issue of trust a lot better. Anna tries to figure out who to trust. She does learn to trust Elsa. Elsa is my favorite Disney character. She is so relateble. I think her main problem is that she is a victim of discrimination. People discriminate her on her ability to use magic. The magic does remind me of the kind of meltdowns I have. If one gets too upset, the magic has destructive outbursts. Elsa tries so hard to be stoic and keep her magic under control. This is a case where love and sympathy would work better here. If Elsa wasn't under so much pressure from discrimination, she wouldn't have the destructive outbursts in the first place. Elsa can control her magic just fine when she is alone in her ice palace during the Let It Go song. That is also the time when she gets a break from that pressure. When Anna extends a hand of love and trust, this makes Elsa better. Elsa suffers so much, that is more than what is required as a punishment. She also redeams herself by thawing her own ice. Elsa did do the major freezing at the begginning of the movie. So she had the rest of the movie to improve from there. That might be sufficiant time. Frozen isn't all rainbows and unicorns though. Hans is the total inverse of Frozen. He betrays Anna and Elsa late in the movie around the climax. He just wanted to take over the kingdom. At the end of the movie Anna cuts Hans out of her life for good. This guy doesn't even show up in the sequal. I think this part is good. It shows that not all people can be trusted to change. So sometimes, it is better to cut people, out who have treated them really badly.

  • rice krispies

    rice krispies

    Month ago

    That's why I didn't like it when Namari says to Raya, during the peak of their fight, "It was your fault as much as it was mine". That line just... it was such an ungenuine and tactless way to deliver Raya's and Namari's realization

  • spacewitch

    spacewitch

    Month ago

    I honestly feel like the moral could’ve even been fixed with just a few lines or a scene where Raya and Sisu realize that they’re both wrong and that the real moral is somewhere in the middle. Like you can’t blindly trust everyone but you shouldn’t close your heart to the world either. I still love this movie regardless though, I just wish the theme was handled better (and that we got to see more of the lands, SE Asian culture is interesting and I wish I got to see more of Kumandra).

  • Jasmine Animations

    Jasmine Animations

    Month ago

    Thank you. This was a good vid on the films lesson. Theres still a few things u didnt touch on that i am interested in on what you thought about , such as Sisu not fully understanding that people Lie and not understanding that Raya was betrayed by someone. And that someone is the reason the world is in another apocalypse. Sisu just still blindly trusted people and she herself wasnt challenged by Raya’s point of view and experience. Sisu uses her family as a reference for trust, but she wasnt betrayed before and this was trust between family at a do or die situation.
    Besides just trust, raya learnt to empathise with strangers as well, like how everyone is losing family and friends to the purple fog. I dont necessarily think some of the other characters earnt her trust, she just learnt that, everyone’s in a shit situation and will do what they can to survive.
    I agree with ur vid about rayas trauma and how Namari didnt earn rayas trust or forgiveness in a satisfying way (for me at least). If say, Namari trusted raya and didnt bring her cross bow, but a third party interrupted and namari still had to earn her trust back. Id have been more satisfied with that cliche than, “u r the reason sisu is dead just As MuCH as mE”

  • dracothemighty

    dracothemighty

    Month ago

    I guess that in a world where people can't trust one another, it would be hard for Raya to take the first step if not for Sisu's intervention. Granted, Sisu came from a very different time and mindset so it's no wonder she's as naive as she is. I don't think she's wrong though. Raya taking the first step to make amends despite what Nemaari did and how unapologetic she was, I don't consider it a bad thing.
    What I take from Nemaari's reaction to it is that, because the world is in shambles and they were enemies at that point, she wasn't willing to blindly trust Raya. Afterall, Raya was in a quest to get all the Dragon gem pieces from the other nations, so Nemaari didn't know her intentions after the deed was done. She also had no interaction whatsoever with Sisu beforehand other than that glance at her before she disappeared in the mist. That was enough though to make her question herself, and that's probably why she decided to meet with Raya alone to give her the gem in the first place.
    To a degree, we don't know for sure if she was actually going to pull the trigger on Sisu. Maybe things could've turned differently if Raya didn't intervene, but this is all up to interpretation. At this point, neither Raya nor Nemaari were willing to trust each other fully, and understandingly so. Sisu was the one who paid for it in the end but, to me, her sacrifice made both characters come together when their only option was to actually trust each other. Raya gave the first step again yes, but Nemaari followed suit and because of it she saved the world.
    Was it necessarily a great redemption arc for her? I don't think so. But to be honest, the message this movie is trying to convey, isn't a bad one. Translating this to the real world, how many times did we gave the first step to clarify some misunderstanding or even end a dispute with the people that wronged us? Most of us, myself included, just end up cutting the relationship altogether without a second thought. But what if a bridge could be built to try and understand what the other person is going through? It's true that we'll be met with distrust at first, and things may never be the same again, but is it better to feel contempt for another person for the rest of your days, especially if they're our own family? I'm not trying to say that everything is fixable, but for those that are, why not at least try?

  • Lola knight

    Lola knight

    Month ago

    I completely understand why raya didn’t trust nammari like cmon now nammari was the cause of her fathers death and started the apocalypse.

  • mahogania

    mahogania

    Month ago

    7:32 I think a part of what makes this "Zuko-like" redemption not work is that Zuko started as an antagonist, so antagonistic actions are to be expected and don't hold the strong emotional gut-punch a betrayal does, if you crossed an antagonist who fought fair and square (and oddly honorable in Zuko's case) under peaceful circumstances later on, there wouldn't be much resentment. Instead, this girl started as an ally and betrayed the protagonist later on... low blow, gal

  • Xavier Allred

    Xavier Allred

    Month ago

    I felt this too, thanks for noticing and making this video.

  • The Waffle

    The Waffle

    Month ago

    Sisu was very cringeworthy

  • DragonGoddess18

    DragonGoddess18

    Month ago

    Yeah during the climax, I get what Sisu was attempting to do but Naamari doesn't even apologize for stealing the gem in the first place. Raya trusted her friends because they talked to each other and were honest with each other. Naamari CHOSE to aim a crossbow at all of them and Sisu and yet she CHOSE to act like a child and blame anyone else except herself for killing Sisu. Naamari should have acted like the adult she thought she was and actually apologize on-screen. Like it or not, trust is earned, and it's easy to lose.

  • Arrynt

    Arrynt

    Month ago

    The voice actor of Raya wants there to be a sequel that includes Namaari bring Raya's romantic love interest. The fact people THINK there's a romantic interest between them is so alarming to me. There was more chemistry between Mulan and the witch in the live action version than between Namaari and Raya. I'd hate to see a love interest built off that toxic relationship. Raya deserves better, someone who could at least admit their own faults and APOLOGIZE. We don't need anymore unhealthy relationships in kids movies. I thought Disney got it when they made fun of their own relationship tropes in Frozen... 😬

    • Arrynt

      Arrynt

      Month ago

      @espio329 You'd be shocked at the amount of people that think there's "something" there.

    • espio329

      espio329

      Month ago

      Who in their right minds would look at the interactions of raya and namaari and say that's a totally healthy budding relationship?

  • TIFFANY PERSAUD

    TIFFANY PERSAUD

    Month ago

    Subbed. Thanks for the vid! I'm so happy you're here placing a lot of emphasis on the lessons that cam be learnt form the film. Children are very sensitive and smarter than a lot of us give them credit for. They learn from films and shows and books. So yes, thanks for your advice in having a sit down with them to discuss trust, betrayal, and hurt, after the family watched the film together.

  • carlos Alvarez

    carlos Alvarez

    Month ago

    That was what I felt as well, if they did want to go the "Zuko" route then it would have been amazing to see namarri abandon fang only to have to make that ultimate choice to sti k with reya and save the world or " do what is best for her people" that would have shown that she had grown and learned from her mistake and was now willing to put the world first instead of just a small portion.

  • Thi Nguyen

    Thi Nguyen

    Month ago

    Everything you said is exactly what I felt toward the movie! You are so right and I was so mad at the end. There was never any accountability or apology from Namaari and it is incredibly harmful when it teaches children to blindly trust and forgive people who have hurt you. Thank you for giving such an accurate and poignant review of this movie when everyone else loved it. I had felt crazy until you validated and eloquently articulated my thoughts! I related to you more than to the movie, and I’m Vietnamese American! THANK YOU!

  • SapphicAphrodite

    SapphicAphrodite

    Month ago

    Also can we discuss how Namari’s mom suffered no consequences? Like I know she was trying to protect her village and all but you could also tell she was doing all of it over power as well. When she was talking to Namari about getting all the pieces and getting the dragon as well to get the respect of the other villages she was talking about conquer not about respect and no one noticed because she literally put it lightly and innocently to fit her narrative and manipule Namari even further (but by no means I am defending Namari, she was also in the wrong). Also the moral of the movie is such a paradox because it constantly contradicts itself so much, it’s so weird honestly.

  • See Me Sow

    See Me Sow

    Month ago

    Trying to get out of paying reparations are we :/

  • Bee 💛🖤💛

    Bee 💛🖤💛

    Month ago

    YESSS thank you for making this video - I was loving the movie at first, but the more the moral became clear, and the more it placed the burden on Raya, the more I felt uncomfy and annoyed.

  • Jade Soto

    Jade Soto

    Month ago

    The fact that namaari, after she was trusted with the stones and everyone turned to stone, began to look for and walk to an exit before turning back and putting the dragon stone back together.. made me so PEEVED

  • World Turner Live Action

    World Turner Live Action

    Month ago

    They wanted to show two ways of giving trust. One being by coming to a deeper understanding of your opponent which is seen many times throughout. Second being a leap of faith which could only be shown by Raya because she has the least reason to trust her opponent. Therefore, the message is more impowering than we realise because we learn through Raya that no matter how much trauma you go through, you still retain the human capacity to show selfless acts of love. Additionally, this movie rectifies Snow White's message about how having total trust might lead to your own doom.

  • Miso

    Miso

    Month ago

    First time I ever related to a "Disney Princess" and it was funny seeing her rage

  • Lewoke Crybaby James

    Lewoke Crybaby James

    Month ago

    So this is Stockholm Syndrome the movie?!

  • Rudy Siano

    Rudy Siano

    Month ago

    Which is faster?
    Tuk tuk or dababy?

  • Gabriel Tan-Buenaventur

    Gabriel Tan-Buenaventur

    Month ago

    The sad part is that Disney has done these same morals and theme better. I thought Zootopia was a good movie.

  • Pilar Campos

    Pilar Campos

    Month ago

    Can we talk about Namari's mother way of fixing the relationship of his nation with the rest of the world is? I mean, she actually encouraged her daughter to took the bad decisions she took, just only because she didn't realize the caos they've caused, so his nation could expand and end with the hate of the other nations by being part of hers...I mean...mam' that's not a solution.

  • aaron something

    aaron something

    Month ago

    tbh all of this is raya’s fault for showing a fang member the gem

  • Kabuto Yakushi

    Kabuto Yakushi

    2 months ago

    And you know what's funny? Namaari, even at the end when she had all the gem places, started to run away and betray them. AGAIN. Yeah, she turned back and did the right thing, but Namaari's problem is she always starts to do the wrong thing first. Then blames people for reacting to that because they're trying to stop her from carrying through. People aren't mind readers. If you yank out a crossbow, point it at the last hope the world has, and start squeezing the trigger--who in their right mind would just stand there and go 'oh, well, I hope she changes her mind. Haha.'
    This movie made me angry, because while it was otherwise beautiful and funny, the message is sends about trust is toxic. How could you honestly screw up a script that badly?

  • BossyMafia

    BossyMafia

    2 months ago

    The whole part with feeling forced to forgive people who betrayed you hit home to me because the people who I thought were my friends only used me as long as it was fun to them. I ended a 15 year long friendship finally after I've had enough of being used as a punching bag or as easy financial aid. And so so often I see movies like this that force the idea that my feelings were wrong because everyone is a good person deep down inside and it makes me furious. It's the exact same feeling I had with my fake friends all over again "What about ME??"
    Because all I hear is forgiveness for people who did bad things but no forgiveness for people who were wronged and lashed out because they had enough.
    Forgive and forget is a saying that's used in the wrong moments far too often. You are supposed to use that when you've accidentally tripped someone but helped them out, or when you were kids and you stole something but gave it back, etc. But people have been using it to let abusers and bullies get away with bad behavior and make the victims feel bad about themselves.

  • Daniela Flores

    Daniela Flores

    2 months ago

    Unpopular opinion: I hate Noi, I would have gladly dropped her out of the boat "accidentally"

  • Haru Doné

    Haru Doné

    2 months ago

    I'm like a combination of Sisu and Raya, by nature I'm trusting of people but through some traumatic experiences I am now wary.
    For the most part I enjoyed it but then the third act comes around and I got upset. I avoided spoilers for the movie so I had no idea what the story would be like, so when the third act started I thought Namarii would have a change of heart and join Team Dragon and then they'd have to convince the queen to be cool with fixing everything but like something would go wrong and you'd have the finale.
    Then the movie does what it does and I'm like "ok that's fine, Namarii can still change." But then the movie slaps me in the face and tells Raya that the wariness she feels is unjustified and that she's the problem here, and by extension telling me the same thing because I identified with Raya a lot.
    Like the movie had great potential, for example Namarii realizes that it is basically their fault for bringing the purple things back, and Raya has a call back to when her dad made the soup with ingredients from all the nations being a symbol for unifying everyone.
    But then that just gets thrown away and we're basically told to trust that the person who has betrayed us not once but twice (even if it was an accident, that finger was on the trigger and you don't put your finger on the trigger unless you are willing to shoot) is going to have our backs.
    There's not even a moment of realization for Namarii to change, she just glances back at statue Raya and is practically like "ugh fine." Like, why? Why does she choose to go back?
    She didn't take any responsibility or learn anything, she has no personal reason for going back. I think they botched the ending. They could have made it so Namarii realizes what her actions have caused and chooses to try and fix what has happened and have some actual character development but instead they tell Raya that she was in the wrong, it was her fault for not blindly trusting someone who betrayed her.

  • Jackie 910

    Jackie 910

    2 months ago

    Your video was the therapy I needed lol

  • Raef Gall

    Raef Gall

    2 months ago

    Totally agree with you on your assessment. I'd further compound your statement by mentioning that Namaari's abusive mother (you know, the one who put Namaari, a child, in the situation to betray Raya in the first place) was the first one across the bridge at the end of the movie.

  • Adrigl

    Adrigl

    2 months ago

    When Naamari tried tho share the blame for Siso's death with Raya I screamed “BUT YOU WERE THE ONE WITH THE FINGER ON THRIGGER YOU IDIOT!”, you don’t point a gun(or a crossbow) to something or someone you are not willing to destroy, and she was pointing it to the literal savior of the world, who in their right mind would trust her?

  • Definitely not a WIMP

    Definitely not a WIMP

    2 months ago

    Oh look at this person she betrayed me.. AND OH! LOOK! she also tried to kill me and brought down an apocalypse........ yeah i should trust her, she looks pretty chill

  • emmanuel omego

    emmanuel omego

    2 months ago

    Well, that's Disney and Hollywood movies today.... "Never take responsibility for your wrongdoings... Blame others"

  • CCC AAA

    CCC AAA

    2 months ago

    I solemnly swear to never trust Disney again.

  • CCC AAA

    CCC AAA

    2 months ago

    Ok, but are we gonna ignore about how the ONLY reason why Raya learned to trust other tribes was simply because the tribes' last surviving members lost their families in an attack?

  • Ellen Medeiros

    Ellen Medeiros

    2 months ago

    Bro, I was so angry like I was just thinking 'what did Raya do other than trying her father's trust towards someone? Why did she had to sacrifice herself first?'
    It's really a horrible 'moral lesson' to everyone, what children will understand of the movie? If you get betrayed by someone twice, to not worry, because the third trust chance things will be better? If Namaari ever did 1/3 of what Raya did in the movie, in front of Raya, I wouldn't be this mad at the movie...
    Namaari never trusted anyone other than herself, the Druuns literally take the negative emotions of the humans to multiply too... does that means that everyone made into stone had no negative emotion after being released?

  • gillette match 3

    gillette match 3

    2 months ago

    somehow this movie feeled like based on the mongol mythology

  • Juan Chítaro

    Juan Chítaro

    2 months ago

    Forget about the offence to whoever might have taken it, the issue is bad moral lessons and bad storytelling. I'm sure that there are many other things to say about the movie, but the key point is in that: "It's your fault for not blindingly trusting me".

  • DominicBeford

    DominicBeford

    2 months ago

    I honestly liked it. Visuals and all. Even the message disney TRIED to get through. In my opinion I just think it wasn't FINISHED. There should have been as you said some moment when namaari apologized to raya and they had a discussion and some laughs you know. Reminiscing and stuff.
    That's what I think this movie came short on cause then you could say ok she got betrayed about 2 or 3 times. No reason at all to trust her. But the one responsible understands and sees themselves and comes to terms with the victim trying to fix all that they did wrong. You know
    Regardless I loved it🤷🏾‍♂️😁❤

  • watertommyz

    watertommyz

    2 months ago

    A sequel can fix all this by having her be the villain again and or a redemption arc.
    I didn't think too much about this movie as it does have some awesome animation. I didn't even take the story as seriously. But if it can harm children then yeah....

  • dolphintattoogirl

    dolphintattoogirl

    2 months ago

    Dude, I agree with you somewhat. Sometimes you can try and rebuild a relationship, but at other times you must get away from the other person for good. There are some things that shouldn't be forgiven. I did not like this film because they are teaching children that anyone can be trustworthy and good under the correct circumstances. This is a total lie.

  • Mama Yaw

    Mama Yaw

    2 months ago

    i like you. subscribed. you don't talk bs for 20 minutes
    i haven't seen it, but i find i like these little 'video essays' for things i haven't watched/read so i don't have 'die on this hill' emotion attached to whatever. and i kinda like your little 'how it should have' gones. reminds me of 'we need another avatar' and 'how to divide your fanbase -the last of us 2'. can't wait to see what else you got